now suddenly hamas is close to egypt. >> so how do we pressure morsi and egypt? they want billions from us. they want billions from the imf. >> well, that's the way you do it. is that the egyptians also have a stake in this not getting out of hand. israel doesn't want the relationship to break down totally. egypt doesn't want to forfeit its relationship with us, $4.8 billion sitting there in the imf, the $2 billion annually. >> the imf's not going to give them the money if they are seen as being sponsors of hamas, are they? >> that's why this is the balancing act. what we have to make clear to the egyptians is you're no longer simply a party. you're now the government. you're going to rein in people over whom you have some influence. >> is the president passing that message along to morsi and the egyptians? >> i would hope so. the age of unconditional american relationships with a lot of these regimes is over. remember a few months ago during the campaign, the president was asked in the telemundo interview, he was asked, do you consider egypt an ally or adversary